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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 21, 2008 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

I would love to get one of these guys who swears he can tell the difference between lossless and 320kbps in a "hearing" test, like a blind taste test from the old soda commercials.

But as one of the above put it, MP3 is vastly popular because it is a good system.

Again, never ever convert MP3 to Lossless...

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Oct 21, 2008 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

kochman i can't tell the difference really in a car,ipod or computer speakers but on a nice home stereo system after converting the flac/shn files to wave files it's like night and day HUGE difference in audio quality,amazing what a good system picks up.also 24 bit is the future and is slowly catching on.i had the pleasure of hearing american beauty 24 bit version that mickey hart did years ago and it was heaven like having garcia sitting next to you and playing his martin just for you,i urge everyone to buy that and go to a high end audio store and tell the salesperson that you want to try out a 24 bit cd on one of their system you'll be amazed and hope mickey does anthem of the sun and others in the near future.here's the setup i'm saving up for,my buddy has this rig and music never sounded so better.outlaw audio and klipsch speakers are great for a mid level systemPhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucket.
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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Oct 21, 2008 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

kochman, If listening to songs on a computer or mp3 player
your not gonna hear the difference. On a high end stereo
system you can hear the difference. Take a show and burn to cd
both lossless and mp3. You will here the difference. vbr mp3's top out at a bit rate of 320 kbps. While Flac and shn files are at a bit rate 1411 kbps.

And like it's been said never convert mp3 to lossless.
You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 21, 2008 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

Most people don't have sterophile equipment or even good headphones for their audiophile-capable (flash) iPods.

I have some poor / low-tech friends and I've label MP3/lossless discs accordingly. The 256k MP3s sound great through aging stereos even if played through a cheap DVD player. The Archive's been a boon to them too, without much effort on my part.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-10-21 19:34:24

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 21, 2008 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

For the record, I have a great stereo system... with Bose speakers.

I would just like to conduct the test to put the controversy to bed once and for all...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

Hey Kochman! My 2 cents:

320 sure sounds better than 128 or 192. Still, it sounds a bit smoother and simpler than lossless. But even on a really good stereo, I need to listen closely to pick out the lost details. I've never done a blind test of that, largely because blind tests are really tiring and kind of cumbersome to arrange. Also, there's often not one particular difference so much as a more natural sound and a better sense of space in the lossless.

What you most want to listen for is not the tones themselves so much as the timbre of the instruments, the separation between sounds, and the ambient noise. It's clearest on acoustic recordings.

That said, even decent sounding non-commercial SBDs have been subtly distorted enough at one or another stage in their history that I wouldn't be eager to use them as test material to distinguish 320 from lossless. I'd start with a nice commercial release from the 70s, or maybe Wake of the Flood.

Most FLACs compress to 550-700kbps, so 320 has about half as much information, which isn't that far away considering the efficiency of mp3 compression.

Bose speakers are more mid-fi than hi-fi, though still a hell of a lot better than the crappy equipment most people listen with these days.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 21, 2008 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mp3 Conversion Question

I can here it in a mix, let's say I have a guitar track recorded direct to disk and a bass track rendered from a softwar synth direct as well. I can take a VBR or other "high" quality drum track or samples that sound good enough to my ears, but when trying to mix them into a mix of higher quality audio, frequencies drop out and when mixed down artifacts created by aliasing make the cymbals disapear. Or you get that dreadful metal sound.

Sometimes I can hear the artifical harmonics present as well. It's not actually the missing frequencies but how the missing frequencies phase out or flavor the fundamental tones.

VBR's for day to day listening in a car stereo are fine but if you are headphone audiophile uncompressed is best.

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